more commentary on the diversity subject..

I can't repose the other persons.. comment.. so I will provide the link to the discussion..

http://forums.shreveporttimes.com/viewtopic.php?t=38599&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15


only_in_louisiana.. your comment

" Your argument has little merit and the logic flaw "

( I would not expect anything but such a response.. becase .. surely you are the only one who can see variables and your variables and summation is the only one that is right .. and it's no way that you'd consider any other factors nor relevancy to and about anything.. but the way you care to see it.. therefore the shut down minded perspective will be the only way that you will consider to consider anything.)

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I don't disagree with hard work and education.. and that's something this country can use more of..
it also can use a great deal of mutual support in the black community of one another..

you by choice.. chose to selectively miss the point of much.. when I mention anything of History.. and the elements of what & When and the How's, of all that went into the institution of slavery.. it was also taught a great deal of self hate and definitely a great deal of infighting among the people.. Many in the black community equally so struggle with the concept of "why do blacks not work in unision" as many other races.. and much of that I've heard it since I was a youth about the dissension was that.. the field help and the house help and that dissention..existed and was promoted.. between even one man and another, by how the women were taken and one man paired with the woman of another man.. and any and everything imaginable to insure there was not a sense nor feeling of unity.. how not to build close ties and then find that as a method of torture, one would be or could be sold off to another location and that location purposefully kept from the other.. "these were not nice people who ran slavery, and if you have any concept that slavery was conducted by "nice gentlemanly and people respecting whites" then you have a far off the mark concept of what was an enslaver.. these were brutal and inhumane minded individuals. they may have been seeing the white community as upstanding people because they wielded power and economic prominence, but in principal of their actions they were with a great deal of savage mentality who felt they were the best of the human race.. a man black was not considered a man.. and when it benefited the white slave master.. then they'd count a slave as 1/5 of a man.. for the sole benefit of the white slavers political concerns.. you name a category and it most certainly was turned into a negative for any person of black skin.

No other ethnicities had .. has so much efforts interjected to insure they do not and did not develop a sense of unity and mutual help.. Slavery was something totally different in every major and minor element.. from what is .. hired labor and even indentured servitude or the conditions of labor mandates that were imposed on the Chinese Laborer.. as well as the Hispanic immigrants.

when you pose your historical references.. first investigate what is Slavery and what it took to maintain the institution of slavery.. it was as much a "mental work" of many years as it was a bondage of the physical individual . Even in much of the manner of distinction in religious teaching.. it had inequality in the simply dispensing of what prayer is natured to provide.. " can you imagine a slave praying for a nice house and freedom to walk the land and economic wealth and have any remote expectations that such a prayer would be answered..

In the generalized teaching of religion.. it is taught that God wants mankind to have all things that are good.. but that's kind a with a great deal of Irony when one group is taught to seek wealth and gains of all sorts and one group is basically taught that they endure suffering and their good and everything comes in an "after life"... Even the churches were monitored.. and many a preachers who tried to teach independence of mind, action and the pursuit of equal opportunity and equal access. were either subjected to their church being burned and their preacher being strung up or even tied down on railroad tracks.. and in earleir times even worst. but that's the kind of stuff that I doubt that I'd find many whites who even care to research or those who are now living that know of such would even care to remember and most surely don't care to acknowledge such.. any group that tried to assimilate to do anything was put under duress, and spied upon and undermined by any and every means possible.. selectively ignoring what you don't want to acknowledge does not find justification by relating the plight of blacks with comparison of the Jewish, the Chinese nor the Hispanic.. becase they have not had the same nature of impositions and subjugations interjected within their racks.. and when you speak of accomplishments by the Jewish.. you neglect to discuss or consider the continuing embrace they received and the economic infusion they received and the open door policy to allow access and opportunity.

you won't go thru your history and find any groups of Asian, Hispanic or such that fought for freedom and equal rights along with the blacks in any notable numbers.. it was even into the 70's before Cesar Chavas fought for the rights of the new generation of slave labor.. but yet not enslaved people.. to get a decent set of conditions as hired field labor ..

but even here in this present day reality... we have a great backlast at the Hispanic population.. which did not exist when the whites had good jobs before other whites shipped them out the country.. now that times have changed and the jobs are now not plentiful.. and the economic impact of this has affected whites, those Hispanic they were more than happy to embrace for in house labor, and even field labor and any job that most whites did not care to even consider a job of any nature of human respectability.. but now the economics of the country is tight.. and the major act is.. get the Hispanics out of the country, close the borders and etc.. Japanese were looked at and called.. slant eyes.. up until the 70's was over an america found out that all that money poured into Japan had transitioned the wealth to the Japanese.. and then .. and only then was it a matter of embrace for the Japanese becase they wanted this money back.. so the borders opened and the Japanese came.. the same happened with the Koreans and the Chinese whom each of those categories were looked down on as the worst of Asian.. but now that the economics has changed and their wealth is needed.. it's full on.. Open.. let's embrace the Chinese.. it's this user mentality that just seems not to go away..

it's only economic benefit that pushes a great deal of the embrace of other people.. not just becase people have embraced diversity and respect for the human element of various ethnicities.. in the 70's when the oil crunch came.. it was embrace the Arabs.. and nearly every no name service station could then be owned by the Arabs.. and that faded as soon as the oil crisis was over.. during that time .. when the Arabs sought gold instead of money.. the price of Gold shot up to nearly 800$ an ounce,, so they could get twice the oild for half the cost.. when the Arabs were removed from that power play the price of gold went back down to around 300$ ounce... when the Japanese were lured to the big cap real-estate markets in the 80';s and their money was grasp.. then the real-estate market was crashed and the property taken back for pennies on the dollar or thru foreclosure and bankruptcy fire sales. There are reason that the disdain for the concept of how the Western Anglo does things..is such a element around the globe of mis trust and in some places just plain hatred, and the mindset that this superiority put don of others is something.. definitely I did not create nor does my mention and discussion of it.. have anything to do with me.. being anything but me.. and a person who just is not blind to what is about this world and within this life.. But maybe many of the whites who deny everything and selectively see things as they want to see things.. of the everyday person.. may well need to start to look at things on a systematic level.. the average white person may not be a conscience party to this.. but they are and most certainly need to acknowledge that their power elite are the orchestrator's of such.. and maybe the more liberal and humanly conscience of the white general population may need to become more informed of this stuff and maybe just maybe take some action to insure they are not so poorly represented and paraded around the world as a villain and devious people.. instead of trying to deny and ignore what the rest of the world has been saying over and over for many many years.. and many location have death and devastation to back up their claims.

I don't think on the everyday average white person don't really think in these terms.. but there is a great many of the everyday people.. who do have a remnant of superiority or being the better race is in part a great saturation among many and they have had it so long that to them it just feels natural.. to expect the world to assimilate themselves to the standards that whites depict and pursue.. and feel they can measure any and every other against..

all of us need to do a lot of work.. and the only way that work is going to get done is that we not just work in the same plants and live in the same neighborhoods..b ut that we interact on all levels of life and living.. that we learn to not just casually be social but heart felt social..

we are all fed the same propaganda news in the media, and we are all fed the same half truth about what this country does and how it does it.. we got news block outs of the reality of war.. we got news block out that only tell the American and as you can see.. with the congressional pool, a predominantly white male group feels they want to tell us.. and we continually see.. that so much of what has been told is lies, half truths and cover ups and underhanded stuff and methods and means used and enacted that not many Americans would even care to consider to support..

I think the good of and within the general population of whites on the everyday level of people.. should be the nature of what over rules what the power brokers and the money changers do.. and if we had a country that functioned with the nature of the average whites .. who as some in this forum seem to suggest and claim to stand for .. was the nature that existed in the over all to set the tone of life.. we'd probably be a more unified people.

This nature of Rap culture.. would not have found the saturations that it found if it was not eagerly supported by many of the white run marketing and labels of the music industry that back and promote and push this... that is the economic machine behind it.. but until all of us as people can unite and stand up and make this kind of stuff and .. the trampling the world.. using words such as " Insurgents and any other moniker" to dehumanize people while the mass slaughter continues.. we will continue to live with much of ignorance and have a trail of blood and guts and mayhem of any kind of imaginable madness following us.. and that will continue to reverberate within the core of our general population..

We the public have not heard much of anything that the people of those region want.. we only hear what the have filtered and put forth to us as a propaganda.. but we don know how much at the core of this is oil related.. and I'll regulate and dominate and "I'll tell you" what kind of system to put in place mentality.. is predominating the scene.. and yet these people have a totally different culture and different ideology about life.. but that's not much different than .. how the Indians were considered savage, their religion was considered pagan and they were considered to be less than equal as human beings.. the same mindset that plundered Africa and enslaved the people and led to the concept of apartheid and such nature of mindset continues to go about the world.. just taking over people and making anything they value negative and seeking to convert it to some anglo format.. and anything that does not fit that format is.. given a negative name and made to be dehumanized and cause for invasion, encroachment and intimidation and subjugation.. as if.. saying to the world.. " white is right".. and any and all who does not assimilate to such manner and method is... continually given slang names of degradation's.. of any sort that is function for the cause.

this is not just the American Anglo that does this.. it's the world body of the Anglo.. Arm a faction to fight then when they don't follow instruction Arm the other side and create dissention and when they finish killing each other .. go in a capture the spoils.. " divide and conquer".. " keep divided and control"

Look around yourself and ask yourself if everything is so congenial.. then look among your friend pool and ask yourself why is it still with such segregations.. if and as we live in a land that is said to be such a melting pot of people and ideals and life format.. If we are so advanced then why are out business with such segregations as various levels of it's managment and leadership. Just as whites follow the grooming as an unbroken chain.. of having stuff and having access and having opportunity and controlling industry and government.. so is it still an unbroken chain in people being subjugated and relegated to menial things, and limited assimilation and limited intergration and labeled and stereotyped and much else.. this is far from the idealistically american model that the mass media would like to claim.. what we have in common is paying taxes.. and that is very much distorted when it gets to the upper income controllers of this country and it's industry. and the more economically strained things become the more invigorated racism becomes. and the less superior position of standing that white have the more contentions and blame and tag and label the mindsets become of tossing blame anywhere but themselves. because that superior status faces the threat of being with some nature of balancing ...

and as I pointed out.. this country was fine with elevated union scale wages .. until.. women and minorities were in the pool to gain and earn these wages and then it became.. a matter of .. "we are paying too much, let's bust the union and let's get the jobs out of the country.. but all before that.. american goods have always cost more and had always been of a better quality and all the world wanted them.. but nope.. it's let's kill the jobs and the elevation of others into the economic fold.. and we will outsource everything and pay ourselves more and claim that we have to cut back on labor and thus the money stays in the hands of the few.. who can dispense it to elevate it's kind on the lower ranks... and that's exactly what we have today.. not much different from the same enslaver mentality of trying to keep everything within the secular group who have never embraced the concept of equality .. and may never embrace it..